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Both.
Rehabilitation is ok for young burglars who need an education etc, it doesn’t work with paedophiles so its no use in their case.
If it was a member of my family hurt ~ I’d want retribution, of course, but I’m quite PC and do think most people benefit from and deserve rehab and a second chance etc.
retribution,no. Our system does not focus on rehabilitation.
Depends whether yor a liberal or a Daily **** reader, dunnit.
They are there for both reasons -
Retribution, they are paying for there crimes
Rehabilitation, hopefully they will be reformed and rehabilitated through learning a job or drug rehab etc too though this is not the case for most.
What is the point of prison for an OAP who cannot or will not pay his or her unfair Council Tax? None
What is the point of prison for someone caught speeding by a Gatso who refuses to pay the unjust fine? Nothing
What is the pint of prison for someone who has refused to pay an unjust Council Fine for putting out their bin too early, brought it in too late, or had the lid slightly up? Nothing
What is the point of prison for a young thug or burglar – To teach them how not to get caught next time!
What is the point of prison? In most cases, there is no point!
Why have Civil matters become criminal matters thus making criminals out of law abiding citizens?
The law in the UK is ridiculous largely due to umpteen years of Labour misrule
All prison does is make the cons more clever in there crimes from having time to chat with more experienced cons. They need programs to actually teach them marketable job skills so they can get real jobs upon release. If they are able to make a decent wage and survive in today’s society they’d be alot less likely to re-offend.
Retribution, prison sentences are meant to deter a miscreant from offending again, however the prisons themselves and the sentences handed down do little towards that end.
Criminals / ******** etc. will only alter their ways if ‘they’ want to.
Remove the criminal from the street.
Punish
Show that justice is being done
If possible rehabilitation.
The trouble with they system today is that special interest groups are forcing rehabilitation more and more and thus discrediting the first three – Result more crime!!
Neither.
It is just a place for criminals to make more contact with other criminals and a rite of passage for some.
What is it with some people ?
Prison sentences are not handed out willy nilly. Nowadays, you have to be a habitual offender or guilty of the most horrific crime (ie: cold blooded murder) before courts will even consider a custodial sentence.
Prisons of today are more like youth hostels (TV, one man rooms with en suite, library, sports facilities, hobbies etc) and you can even get a free degree (more opportunity than the average school leaver gets nowadays)!!
There is no excuse. Prisons should serve as a punishment (which the don’t due to being too comfortable) to deter re-offending and to give some form of retribution to the victims. Those who re-offend obviously do not have it in them to be rehabilitated so we should not care to try any more.
ENOUGH of the PC do goder mentality and please lets have a return to a criminal justice system that hands out real sentences and that keeps the most serious (or habitual repeat) offenders off the streets permanently, so that the law abiding amongst us can live in peace !!
Interesting question. The obvious answer is both. But, I think you want us to choose one or the other.
I think retribution should be the main focus of prison. Society functions better when the victim knows that the criminal is paying for his crime. Retribution also serves as a better deterrent than rehabilitation does.
Should be both. But, in most cases, it seems like neither. Taxpayers end up footing the bill, paying their expenses and medical benefits, while a lot of the inmates don’t usually get rehabilitated; worse yet, hardened or more skilled.
Depends on what they did. Child molesters are taken out of society and cannot harm people. Those who are young boys who steal to eat should be taught a trade and given a chance for a job.
in most cases i would like to say rehabilitation, however it seems to me going on reports, news, tv etc that many just go on to reoffend no matter the help they get. Take paedophiles, they say well they can be rehabilitated which seems nonsense, when many seem to go on and reoffend, so for them i would give the choice, castration, and therapy and if not then jail for life.
The current prison system works in neither category.
I have to say it’s one of the problems in society that I have no clue in any shape or form as to what could be done.
Its no deterrent is it? Dangerous people should be locked up but as for the others..I think it needs a radical rethink.
had this debate a few days ago.
in individual cases, it is better for a prison to be of high standards and respect the inmates. This rehabilitates them, makes them grow mentally and realise that there are other ways.
A harsh prison that starves and humiliates and beats its inmates is only going to make those criminals worse.
BUT: In the best prisons, inmates have plasma tv’s playstatons, decent food and all sorts of uncommon prison luxuries and liberties. Now take an illegal immigrant desperate for cash, or a dodgy little 17yr old yob who never like going home because his parents are always drunk and yelling at and abusing him.
What, exactly, is his incentive NOT to stab someone? or rob a house, or, burn a building down? nothing. life in prison is almost better than their day to day hell.
Also, in most cases, the people who end up in prison are hardened, conscience-less individuals who are far beyond help. The horse has bolted.
I personally believe that prisons should be horrible, but in more of a military way than a starve-them-till-their-eyes-bleed way. Make them do push-ups or pass an educational test for their dinner, make them strong mentally and distract them from the whole respekt way of life. But most of all, make sure that they fear prison. The only thing I care about is having less crime, my heart bleeds for no criminal
They are a waste of tax payers money they do not rehabilitate and the word retribution is an insult to the system.Sentencing is only based on guidelines and prison places.The PRISONER has more rights and is looked after better than the victim the trouble with the whole system is the short sightedness of the Human Rights Charter.At a cost of £1000 per week per prisoner(the last time i heard,could be higher) Every honest hard working person is paying for the mugger,rapist,murderer or paedophile to lay in bed watching tv,playing PlayStation’s,listening to music on stereos for 23 hours a day.Also feeding these people three times a day with good food, giving them access to educational courses etc.Where is the deterrent?
Both but also a third purpose. That would be to house the buggers where they can not hurt others for what ever duration it is proclaimed. For each crime committed after their release on probation, it should be jailed for a longer period. For serious crimes, an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth is not a real bad idea.
Both – if criminals are to be released back into society, then definitely, rehabilitation.
But quite frankly, for murderers, rapists, kidnappers etc etc – retribution.
TORTURE, is the rationale for prisons like the ‘super max’ in southern Colorado. 23 hours in a small cell, the walls and pipes reinforced so that taps and bangs to feel connected to other convicts is impossible, the lights glaring 24/7, an hour of isolation with bored guards looking on in the ‘exercise yard’; and, for many, insanity.
There is no exuse for those who built, maintain and make their living Torturing others’. None, whatsoever. There is no excuse for ‘us’ to condone or be ignorant of this TORTURE.
What happened at the abu graubi prison and is happening at guantanomo – pales into insignificance next to this level of Torture.
And yet, the amerikan syko illogical association has focussed their flaccid attention upon water boarding and CIA / government sponsored interrogation. Go figure.
As to the young, black / hispanic / or white / or yellow / or red wannabe gang member OR THIEF – lock him up as retaliation for being an outlaw.
As to the child molester (and this is a critical point) and here I mean: a bona fide child molester; ajudicated fairly and properly psychiatrically evaluated – Lock him up to keep the children safe.
I make this caveat because there are a lot of innocent child men locked up and being controlled by half trained, incompetent, hysterical and crazy judicial and mental health systems. These evils are then magnified with ‘rehabilitation treatment’ programs that are useless, counter productive or ineffective.
Both. Rehabilitation is an important part of the prison system obviously, but there are some prisoners (paedophiles, sociopaths etc) who should be imprisoned for the safety of the public. I’m all for rehabilitation where possible.
Seeing that at least 2 out of ten convicted people go back to prison, and 1 out of ten will go back before they are out even 6 months; you can not believe any rehabilitation is actually taking place. To rehabilitate someone you have to educate them, give them a support structure, and help them attain the dream without resorting to crime. Even Wall Street seems to find this hard to do.
For some crimes, like sexual predators, rehabilitation may not even be something we know how to accomplish.
Prison is for retribution and as a poor try at making crime have consequences that everyone will want to avoid. Most of us do want to avoid these consequences, but with the Patriot Act enacted and the increased paranoia on campuses across the nation; it is easier to become a criminal than to become a priest. Maybe not such a good comparison?
A truly rehabilitative facility would cost too much to run as we have prisons set up right now. Law enforcement does not help, because convicts are the first suspects, so will never have the same rights and privileges of freedom the rest of us have … which is why they probably go back into the prison system so fast.
We are putting increasing number in with no way to really redeem themselves in the eyes of society, so like our present banking problem, there will come a time we will have to pay for over-zealous prosecutions of the less serious criminal offenses.
It would be better and not cost so much in building new prisons if society spent more on making sure everyone had an equal chance at a job and a college level education, than they do on enforcement. Schools need to ease up and not treat all kids as criminals, so being a criminal isn’t so peer accepted. Even the best students are being bullied by a paranoid system that is fast making criminals out of childish mistakes.
Our society uses prison as a form of punishment, there is no rehabilitation in our prisons. We should study the methods used by the red chinese when china was taken over by communists.In a few short years, they eradicated crime.Their methods were brutal, but it worked.For instance a pickpocket on his first offense would lose one hand. The next offense he would lose the other.If caught for anything after that, he was shot.All criminals, prostitutes, dope dealers,and other lawbreakers were given a chance at rehabilitation, if they back slid, punishment was swift and severe, up to the point of getting shot.The country was criminal free in a few short years. Brutal but effective. In a free and permissive society, we cannot use their methods.
Neither, it should be to make innocent people safer.
The more serious the crime the longer the criminal should be prevented from carrying out crimes by keeping him/her in jail.
Rehabilitation takes a long time and is expensive, so in most cases it isn’t practical. Prison is seen as a punishment so it is a form of retribution. The point seems to be it’s one of the few ways society has to say that certain behaviour is not acceptable. I’ve been in prisons and if there’s one thing that stands out it’s that there isn’t a one size fits all solution.
Rehabilitation costs so much money, and I feel really strongly that criminals, drug addicts and alcoholics who appear to be right at the top for this kind of treatment, should come last of all.
There are many, many people, who through no fault of their own have been very ill and/or have had serious surgery. Many of these people could do with rehabilitation to get their life back to where it should be. But because the funding is not always there, are sent home from hospital and then left to get on with things as best they can.
I’m not saying that there is no follow on treatment and assistance for them, there is, but for them it is nowhere near the level it is for those I initially mentioned.
Let’s get things right for those who truly deserve it first. Then if there is anything left in the kitty, see what can be done for those who’s needs are caused by their own folly.
As for criminals, especially violent criminals, then retribution is my choice. I believe in punishment, fear and real justice
EDIT. Rehabilitation will never work for those who are at the bottom.. They are a lost cause. they laugh at justice as it stands today. They will never be the same as the rest of us because they simply do not want to be. This may seem rather harsh, I know there are people in prison who should not be there, I know there are people in prison who just want to keep their their heads down and get out. They are the ones who could be rehabilitated if there was anything left in the aforesaid kitty. But the ones I am talking about are the dregs of society and as such are incapable of ever changing.
its a Holiday camp now they have more rights then we have
In my opinion our penal system is a terrible joke. It is neither retribution nor rehabilitation….. it is a vacation and ware housing of a problem
Criminals get free room and board…. free medical care….. free food….. free cable TV…. sports and athletics…. library books….. the list is long
Criminals get a paid vacation from their struggle for life…. they create new friends and complete their criminal education …. they continue to get drugs etc
For you and me it is punishment but to them it is just another phase of their profession
Rehabilitation is a joke…. they go to school while you pay for everything
Prisons should PUNISH…. put them in a 4×8 room…..NO amenities…. a dry sterile environment….. no one to talk to….one hour outside alone each day…..no TV….no radio …..NOTHING
At the end of their sentence….when they are on THEIR time…..then offer them rehabilitation options…..
When people are career criminals…. on death row….. they get ONE appeal….. they die within one year…..
Make crime and prison something to be feared
For habitual offenders imprisonment makes no difference, they serve their time no matter how much rehabilitation they receive, once released, most appear to re-offend.
First time offenders could be rehabilitated. Paedophiles other Sexual Offenders, should however receive retribution in the form of castration, whether it be chemically or surgically, as these criminals will forever be a threat to society, with out this form of retribution.
Good Luck.X